tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post1755728419703099901..comments2023-05-22T05:36:48.747-05:00Comments on Suzanne Purvis - Passions and Pursuits: How Do You Critique?Suzannehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06515738513698526073noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-77768911404674043642012-04-16T06:30:43.397-05:002012-04-16T06:30:43.397-05:00Feel free to use the list, I am happy I can help. ...Feel free to use the list, I am happy I can help. Thanks for the support and you are an inspiration that I can do this. Thanks for stopping by.Suzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06515738513698526073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-27261459737077367672012-04-14T13:37:45.078-05:002012-04-14T13:37:45.078-05:00Suzanne, I just ran across this post in my in bask...Suzanne, I just ran across this post in my in basket. This is a great set of questions to ask yourself as you critique. Do you mind if I use them with my writing group? glvwg.org. I can totally (did I just say 'totally')empathize, Suzanne. The first time I read a selection out loud to a crit group I literally shook. Now I run the same group.Barthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17247446426545821292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-69485513838262938402012-04-11T15:53:40.529-05:002012-04-11T15:53:40.529-05:00Good point, getting a group of writers to agree on...Good point, getting a group of writers to agree on all the points will likely be impossible, so I should take what rings true and leave the rest. Thanks for stopping by.Suzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06515738513698526073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-23234661083559197442012-04-11T15:50:37.769-05:002012-04-11T15:50:37.769-05:00Thanks for the reminder to not lose my voice, some...Thanks for the reminder to not lose my voice, something I could do. Glad the list was helpful.Suzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06515738513698526073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-84274789955901575492012-04-11T15:27:21.636-05:002012-04-11T15:27:21.636-05:00Hi Suzanne, it's never easy having to critique...Hi Suzanne, it's never easy having to critique another writer's work, especially to their face, so I always try to give a reason why something didn't work for me. Your list is great because it covers specifics like setting, POV etc and these are things that really need to be clear. I almost think, though, that getting a group of writers to agree on all those points will be impossible, so when it's your turn for the hot-seat, remember they are just opinions and not all of them will be helpful, or even right. Good luck and happy writing. Amanda (Justwriteit group)Amanda Antoniohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03611780606323088530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-40280272089541375992012-04-11T15:11:28.647-05:002012-04-11T15:11:28.647-05:00Good luck with your group. The biggest takeaway is...Good luck with your group. The biggest takeaway is to remember no one can define you. Let your voice shine.<br /><br />And your questions are very helpful. I critique for several people and sometimes, haven't considered all those you put down. I'm saving your list to use!Vicki Batman, sassy writerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13846704675542248648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-55250784871703301072012-04-11T11:14:34.713-05:002012-04-11T11:14:34.713-05:00This was exactly my problem. I had no idea what o...This was exactly my problem. I had no idea what or how I should be critiquing. Good luck in your search for a group. If I can do it, you can too LOL.<br />Hopefully, in the future I'll have another post with glowing reports for the critiquing trenches. Thanks for stopping by.Suzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06515738513698526073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-20455418474225814842012-04-11T11:12:28.887-05:002012-04-11T11:12:28.887-05:00Thanks for your comment. I agree it will definite...Thanks for your comment. I agree it will definitely take me time. I am slow to warm up to people but your words are very encouraging.Suzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06515738513698526073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-35140208475720315912012-04-11T11:11:25.316-05:002012-04-11T11:11:25.316-05:00Thanks for your comment. Well, said. I can see m...Thanks for your comment. Well, said. I can see me doing exactly that. Throwing out something that might have been the best part.Suzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06515738513698526073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-65510145151937028732012-04-11T11:10:25.764-05:002012-04-11T11:10:25.764-05:00No rules, so I sent them the link to this blog. S...No rules, so I sent them the link to this blog. So far all seem positive about having a list. I like the sandwich idea too. I use that with my kids, but they are onto me. LOL<br />Thanks for stopping by.Suzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06515738513698526073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-48166379427400381732012-04-11T11:09:12.707-05:002012-04-11T11:09:12.707-05:00Thanks for your comment. Now I don't feel so ...Thanks for your comment. Now I don't feel so bad, at least others are as wary as me.<br />I'm not the only chicken, LOL.Suzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06515738513698526073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-151278001041835582012-04-11T11:08:26.140-05:002012-04-11T11:08:26.140-05:00I agree. Seems like a lot to get in the first pag...I agree. Seems like a lot to get in the first pages, and I have seen lists with more. Yikes! Thanks for stopping by.Suzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06515738513698526073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-78914171280802422792012-04-11T11:07:41.027-05:002012-04-11T11:07:41.027-05:00Thanks for the burst of positive energy! Here'...Thanks for the burst of positive energy! Here's hoping it is a blast.<br />Thanks for stopping by.Suzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06515738513698526073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-90004120843640680262012-04-11T11:07:00.737-05:002012-04-11T11:07:00.737-05:00I am heading over to your blog now to read up on e...I am heading over to your blog now to read up on editing and critiquing. Thanks for stopping by.Suzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06515738513698526073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-216743492095118222012-04-11T11:05:36.971-05:002012-04-11T11:05:36.971-05:00So true! A workshop on critiquing is a great idea...So true! A workshop on critiquing is a great idea, I will look for those. And, I tell my son the same thing. Thanks for stopping by.Suzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06515738513698526073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-46033103096419700912012-04-11T09:09:21.235-05:002012-04-11T09:09:21.235-05:00Hearing about your courage to join a critique grou...Hearing about your courage to join a critique group is inspiring. The fear of not being educated enough on critiquing stops me. Your list is a good idea I have one I am making because I would like to give a constructive positive critique to other writers too. When the timing is right, I am going to try the muddle puddle critique group. I am hoping all the best for you in your new group. Janet Lnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-56400616660920517142012-04-11T09:00:01.567-05:002012-04-11T09:00:01.567-05:00Participating in a crit group can be intimidating,...Participating in a crit group can be intimidating, but it is worth it, once you find the right group. I learn so much by reading members' subs. It's like being in a creative writing class--what you put into it is what you get out of it. <br /><br />My group at FTHRW e-subs chapter by chapter. Active members comment, and collectively, the feedback really helps, plotting to polishing. I've not found a local in-person group, but I bet it would be fun. It takes time to develop trust and rapport.<br /><br />Your list of points is very good.Ana Morganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12325215832587691886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-64764545778417995932012-04-11T08:15:25.850-05:002012-04-11T08:15:25.850-05:00"What did I do really well?" Never forge..."What did I do really well?" Never forget to ask this one. In fact, make it first. And then throw it in again at the end. Because it's really easy to lose sight of what's good and /shouldn't/ be taken out, and if someone doesn't remind you, you might end up cutting out the best part. Plus, I always like the reminder that I'm not a total failure. Your strong points are as important as your weak ones - so ask about them. Even if you think you already know what they are, you might be surprised.Rebekkah Nileshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06684711663696588263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-44932394160732580102012-04-11T07:51:53.302-05:002012-04-11T07:51:53.302-05:00Did the group not give you any ground rules for &q...Did the group not give you any ground rules for "engagement"? That worries me. For mine, only constructive criticism is allowed-- no 'you suck, don't quit your day job' comments. We also ask that the writer not talk while everyone gives feedback, unless they are asked a question. It's worked out really well. Remember the sandwich rule too-- always present a negative between two positives. It's a lot easier to hear something that needs work, or is weak, if it's preceded by a genuine positive comment and followed by one :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-73246603980198742052012-04-11T07:23:41.732-05:002012-04-11T07:23:41.732-05:00GOOD FOR YOU! WTG! You have more guts than I would...GOOD FOR YOU! WTG! You have more guts than I would ever have...I like hiding behind my computer and phone just fine...LOL! But you are taking a great leap and I bet it will be the best leap you've ever taken! Good luck!! <br /><br />PS Your questions look great!books4mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03713122819316018526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-24997357152952500222012-04-11T07:10:34.352-05:002012-04-11T07:10:34.352-05:00Great list. I'm pretty sure I've never got...Great list. I'm pretty sure I've never gotten all of that into my first 10 pages, but it's a very good baseline.Liz Flahertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06794565644883272260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-67154652395243015132012-04-11T01:17:53.844-05:002012-04-11T01:17:53.844-05:00Awesome list!!!
Good luck with your critique grou...Awesome list!!!<br /><br />Good luck with your critique group! I hope you have a blast...<br /><br />Lisa :)Lisa Kesslerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06209324744019368067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-17743299507154349402012-04-10T22:50:26.377-05:002012-04-10T22:50:26.377-05:00Wow, I'm impressed. That's an extensive li...Wow, I'm impressed. That's an extensive list. I doubt I'll remember to look for all that stuff even if I print it. But if you email me the list, I'll try. Now I wonder if they all could be sub-categorized under the areas I'm used to checking, as in plot, characterization, etc. I once tried to suggest we use a checklist in ECW and got shot down. We could see how this group feels about it, although it might require a longer meeting if we didn't just hit the most important points and then hand over the checklist with the pages.<br /><br />I did get over my fear of getting critiqued. I doubt I'll ever get over the hurt when I found out the most serious problem with my writing. By that I mean having it called "an acid trip" and that just because I can imagine something doesn't mean I should put it in my book. Now anything less will be a walk in the park. <br /><br />I just posted the third of a series on editing that includes using a critique group to improve your writing and editing skills. I'm at sherahart.blogspot.com.Sher A. Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03067955594103356768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9082841708976766505.post-1252325871890520522012-04-10T20:45:05.797-05:002012-04-10T20:45:05.797-05:00Thank you for this list. I have neglected joining ...Thank you for this list. I have neglected joining a critique group not because I'm afraid of my work being evaluated, but I don't know where to start as a critiquer. I would love more workshops on what makes a good CP. <br /><br />Ok, maybe I'm a little afraid of having my work evaluated, but as I try to tell my son, "would you rather I find out it's wrong or wait until you take the test?"Kristina Mathewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13804213867765158362noreply@blogger.com